What is your grade for the Grizzlies draft? (I gave them 3 words to describe their overall feeling)
Andrew Ford: [B]- I am pleased.
Keith Edwards: [B minus]- Love the picks, but Tayshaun :-/
Joe Mullinax: [B]- Little Immediate Help.
BluesCityJoe: [A]- High analytic value
Chip Williams: [B]- Better options a'#22
How do you see Jordan Adams and Jarnell Stokes fitting in with the Grizzlies?
AF: They both could turn out to be instrumental in the Grizzlies' success early on in their careers. Nobody knows for sure how they will turn out, but Adams brings offensive skills that this team desperately needs, and Stokes is a maniac on the boards who will always give maximum effort, making him likely to be a solid role player off the bench. Adams is a tremendous mover without the ball in his hands, making him a great pickup to help Joerger further transition towards the motion offense he so desperately wants to run. Stokes, despite being a large man, moves deceptively well, and he could be a factor in transition if Joerger wants to have the second unit run more.
KE: I think Jordan Adams could become a really good bench scorer by the end of the season. Jarnell Stokes should immediately be able to step in a grab a solid number of rebounds in limited minutes as the fourth big, while spending three years learning at the foot of Zach Randolph on how to be a great offensive player in the low post.
JM: I think eventually they will be phenomenal fits. Adams is an analytic darling who has the capability of impacting the game on both the offensive and defensive end. Stokes is a hometown kid who is Z-Bo 2.0, or as I called him on GBBLive this past Wednesday J-Bo. At worst, both will be solid bench players for the next few seasons.
BCJ: I think both are great fits here long term. In the short term, I can see Adams having a milder version of last year's Calathes arc - that is, starting with intermittent minutes and lower numbers than you want as he figures out the NBA game, then becoming a strong all-around guard contributor by the end of the season. As far as a culture fit, he seems to be a real competitor, so I don't see an issue there either. It does seem like we have a glut of wings on the roster and it remains to be seen how that gets sorted out. Also, one of Jordan's skills is, ah, accentuating contact. It will be interesting to see how the Grizzlies fans take to having one of those guys on the roster. I think we need someone like that on the roster for when games are being called that way, but it will be interesting.
Stokes is a hand-in-glove fit here to me, now and in the future. On a better college team and/or in a different draft, I think he would've gone much higher. Since he's a second rounder, he'll have all the time he needs to develop, a fantastic mentor in Z-Bo, and will provide dependable rebounding and inside presence as needed now. With it also being his hometown team... it just doesn't seem like it could be a much better fit.
Rodney Hood, Kyle Anderson & Shabazz Napier were available at #22 when the Grizzlies picked, any regrets?
AF: I have no regrets at all. I think Hood and Napier are overhyped, and while Anderson's an intriguing prospect, I wasn't at all sold on him panning out until he went to the Spurs. It's easy to say the Grizzlies should have taken Anderson because the Spurs did, but no organization in the NBA can even touch San Antonio's sense for developing talent.
KE: I think you could possibly make the argument that you take Napier at 22, flip him to the Heat for 26 and their second rounder (and a promise to make them keep Norris Cole), but there is no guarantee that Adams is still there at 26. Rodney Hood is an excellent 3 point shooter, and the Grizzlies are always in need of that, but I don't think he is good for much more, and I think if Memphis moves Tayshaun and Courtney Lee, there is still a chance they find a significant upgrade at the 3. I also have the utmost faith in Quincy Pondexter to average 15 points a game while shooting 40% from 3 if he is our starter. Love you, Q!
BCJ: On Napier, not at all. He's a good player but Conley's likely here long-term and we have other backup options. Anderson, no, but I do wish he'd gone somewhere other than San Antonio. I have a feeling we'll be watching him slowly glide past defenses for 10 years. Hood... I can't decide on. He's a shooter and he fits a need, but I go back and forth on if he's got starter potential or more of just a role player. If he turns into a quality starter relatively quickly, I'm going to regret that pick. Those mild regrets are the only reason my grade is an A- instead of an A. Analytics project Adams' career arc way above Hood though, and overall, I'm very happy with the Adams pick.
CW: My immediate reaction last night: yes, we should have picked Kyle Anderson or Rodney Hood. Personally, I think that either one would have been great here in Memphis. It is no secret we're in the market for a new small forward, and it seemed like a dream scenario to have two tremendously talented small forwards still available at 22. Now that I've had time to look back, I realize this is what the Grizzlies will be about for the foreseeable future. As long as John Jollinger is here, the Grizzlies are going to trust his ability to evaluate prospects, and I'm 100% on board with that.
Have the Grizzlies squandered their best chance at moving Tayshaun Prince?
KE: They squandered their best chance to move him without adding any salary at all, but he's an expiring contract. He'll have to have value to someone, but it may be closer to the trade deadline, and for that, I am sad...
JM: Yes, they have. The Toronto trade involving Salmons and the 37th pick for Prince and 22 would have been solid from a cap space standing, but perhaps the Z-Bo extension was already close to done and the Front Office knew it would only make a minor dent in the cap situation. Memphis would be wise to try to make a move to a team with a ton of cap space as soon as possible; once free agency starts up July 1st it is going to get harder with each passing day to move Tayshaun.
Of course, the stretch provision can come in to play and free up $5 million or so this season. Once again, though, with the Z-Bo extension involving the $16.5 million opt-in, perhaps it is best to either trade Tayshaun or ride out this last season. Between Prince's expiring deal and Zach's salary drop in 2015-2016 about $14 million will be freed up. That will be helpful for re-signing Marc Gasol and grabbing a more permanent solution at SF.
BCJ: Yes, probably. They can get rid of him now via trade or outright cut and spread provision, but it may well cost them more. I'm not entirely sure they did all the squandering though. Gary Harris and Tyler Ennis were guys the Raptors were reportedly after and both were off the board so the deal may have cooled on both sides. That said, I still think there are opportunities to upgrade the position, no matter what happens with Tayshaun. I also think in a draft this deep, using a pick to get rid of that contract may have been pretty short-sighted.
CW: Not at all. There are players in free agency who will be upgrades over Tayshaun. As long as we have full use of the Mid-Level Exception, we should be able to lure a solid small forward to the Bluff City. I also wouldn't rule out trading Courtney Lee or Quincy Pondexter for a small forward.
Do the Grizzlies go into the season with Tony Allen and Quincy Pondexter as their primary small forwards?
AF: I don't think so. Many seem to believe the Grizzlies drafting Jordan Adams means Courtney Lee is the guy that will be shopped to clear up the logjam in the backcourt. I don't necessarily subscribe to that line of thinking. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Pondexter as the guy on the trading block.
KE: No. But they go in with Tony Allen, Quincy Pondexter, and Mike Miller as their primary small forwards, and that I can live with. When you have such an advantage with your big men like the Grizzlies do, you can afford to be a little small at other positions. I think they'll be more than fine with those three until the trade deadline if they can't move Tayshaun.
JM: I predicted on GBBLive that Tony Allen would be the starting SF, and I am sticking by that right now. Quincy could easily take over that role, but the fact remains that neither is an ideal player in that spot. Tony is undersized and cannot shoot consistently, while Quincy is unproven and coming off of injury. All rosters have weaknesses, even great teams (see Perkins, Kendrick, Lewis, Rashard, Bonner, Matt) but as I said before I cannot shake the feeling that the Grizzlies missed a chance to take a good player who also fills a need in Rodney Hood.
Either of them would be an upgrade over Tayshaun Prince, and maybe that is the educated gamble that the Front Office is taking. Neither is the long term answer at that spot.
BCJ: I honestly have no idea, but right now I'm going to say yes, with Mike Miller getting a fair amount of minutes as well.
CW: I say no. I think whether it be through trade or free agency, the Grizzlies will land a starting caliber small forward.
Who will be more important to the Grizzlies in 3 years, Jordan Adams or Jarnell Stokes?
AF: Adams because of his upside is likely to be more important to the Grizzlies down the road. Don't count out a hard worker like Stokes, but the Grizzlies really need backcourt help, and if Adams proves to be a really good shooting guard in the NBA like the front office thinks he will be, then the Grizzlies have struck gold.
JM: Jordan Adams. He will be in a place to fill a starting role behind the expiring Tony Allen or Courtney Lee in the coming years, while Stokes projects to be a solid role player off the bench over his career due to his limitations size wise and in athleticism. Adams has more layers to his game potentially that will enable him to contribute in more minutes for Memphis despite a lack of elite athleticism himself. "J-Bo" will certainly have his place on the roster and will undoubtedly be a fan favorite, but Adams (or Jamaal Franklin) will have more opportunity in front of them as time goes on.
BCJ: I think both have a real chance to be impact players for the Grizzlies, but I'm going to go with Jordan Adams. He's only 19 with 2 years of strong college production and I believe he has all the tools to be a top-notch shooting guard in today's NBA. With all the hype in this year's draft over the top guys, both he and Stokes flew under the radar. Some analytics project Adams as the 3rd best career arc in this deep draft, and if that comes true from a 22nd pick, they will have hit an absolute home run with that pick.
Stokes is no slouch either though, as he was 4th in using that same projected career arc, and I would not be shocked to see both players starting for the Grizzlies in 3 years' time.
CW: Jarnell Stokes. In 3 years, Zach Randolph will be a shell of his former self, and the Grizzlies will need to replace him. Jarnell, hopefully, will have developed into a starting level power forward, and he can slide in to take over for ZBO. It will be tough for Jordan Adams with Jamaal Franklin having a leg up on him being in the Grizzlies organization for a year already. Franklin showed promise this past season in the D-League, and some, including me, believe he has the tools necessary to become a starter in this league. Now, it may boil down to the current front office simply being higher on Jordan Adams than they are on Jamaal Franklin; therefore, Jordan Adams winning the 'young shooting guard' battle. Still, it will, seemingly, be much easier for Jarnell to find minutes early on than it will for Jordan.